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| Stu M:NickyKiss:Stu M:Mark_P1973:Stu M:Mark_P1973:4 of us with tickets for Wembley and Everton. Missed out on Headingley, but blaming daughter as she registered on my account but didnt tell me, and then after they'd sold out she says "Dad i registered for the tickets" I really hope it doesnt got to a decider cos i'll be cheesed off, but equally it would be great for the game if it is 1:1, but couldnt cope with the disappointment of losing to them again  Whichever way it goes, there will be fans complaining about Wane's team selection, but in the main the team will pick itself subject to injuries I've no issues with Wane. I think he's genuinely honest. There was a huge clamour for Jake Connor whom Wane had labelled as inconsistent. Was great against HKR but went missing against us twice in the space of a few weeks. i've spent the last couple of weeks arguing with fans from Yorkshire, all complaining about Lancashire bias because of Wane, all he picks is Wigan(ers) players, all over a squad to meet up . I agree with you on that front, that he's up front and honest, and also knows what he wants the players to do, both on and off the pitch, and if they dont fit that bill, then there is a good chance they arent going to get picked On the other wigan forum we've been debating the half backs with a few for and against Jake Connor, i'm in the against camp. Unfortunately i dont think we are blessed at half back at the minute. We have some good players, but no world beaters, and i think Wane will go tried and trusted of Smith and Williams, with Lewis off the bench giving versatility to cover off 9 as well. Outside of those 3 we have Sneyd, Connor, possibly Will Pryce (albeit he's been playing 1) and Whitby (think he's too young at the minute and looks to have a very promising future) I agree with you and it would be my choice. I think he'll go with Williams and Smith with Lewis off the bench. Back row will be interesting too. We have KPP, Nicholson and Nsemba. Who starts, who makes the bench... Knowles and Radley the same. Knowles will probably make the bench so that only leaves 2 spots (if Lewis is the other 1) and that's even before a 9 or props are considered. Wane will definitely pick Bateman IMO and then it'll be about who partners him. I've not seen enough of him to comment really but I read people saying he's not having the best of seasons but Wane values loyalty massively and he'll want his leadership and experience in the team. It feels easier for me to pick what Wane will go with, than what I would go with myself. I think if they're all fit for that 1st test Wane will go- Welsby Young Farnworth Wardle Johnstone Williams Smith Lees Clark Thompson KPP Bateman Radley Subs McMeekan Havard Knowles Lewis And me leaving Nsemba out isn't an oversight btw. He'll be in the squad but like last year, I don't think he'll start the series. I’m not so sure about Bateman. Matty Nicholson has been killing it in the NRL prior to his injury and there’s no danger he won’t be back in time. Nsemba may well be considered too inexperienced perhaps I probably wouldn't pick Bateman myself but just don't see a world where Wane doesn't pick him. I also wouldn't rule out Ben Currie, as you have above. He's been in every squad Wane has picked from memory and while he probably won't make the 17, I wouldn't be at all surprised if he's in again. In terms of the second row, I probably would go Nicholson and KPP, with Nsemba being used for impact from the bench but I can't see it. I think it'll be Bateman and KPP, with Knowles being used as emergency cover on the bench (with his first purpose being to spell Radley). | | |
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Havard won't be in the team based on recent form.
There are a couple of our lads who need to wake up to the fact that their Ashes chances are on the line currently and they aren't playing well enough to get in. I'd probably go as far as to say there's only really Liam Marshall who can be pretty content that he's been consistent enough to be really confident of a place. Others may be preferred to him on physical attributes but not on desire, commitment, competitiveness and form over the season. | | | |
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| MadDogg:nathan_rugby:
Havard won't be in the team based on recent form.
Thompson and McMeeken are the only front rowers I'm relatively confident in. Havard not playing well enough as you say. Lees playing well but for me is too small for international level. I like Robbie Mulhern - hopefully he can make a case towards the end of the year. Oledski was playing well but is now injured. Don't rule out Wane sticking with the likes of Tom Burgess and Chris Hill - he seems to stick with players who have played well for England previously irrespective of club form. All international coaches across all sports pick a combination of in-form players and regulars. It isn't as simple as picking the most inform players. | | |
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| nathan_rugby:MadDogg:nathan_rugby:
Havard won't be in the team based on recent form.
Thompson and McMeeken are the only front rowers I'm relatively confident in. Havard not playing well enough as you say. Lees playing well but for me is too small for international level. I like Robbie Mulhern - hopefully he can make a case towards the end of the year. Oledski was playing well but is now injured. Don't rule out Wane sticking with the likes of Tom Burgess and Chris Hill - he seems to stick with players who have played well for England previously irrespective of club form. All international coaches across all sports pick a combination of in-form players and regulars. It isn't as simple as picking the most inform players. Absolutely correct. It winds me up when I read fans of clubs, whose players are in great form at that time, pushing the idea that an international team could ever be picked on form alone. Firstly how long does 'form' need to last? When do we go back to? How many weeks of 'form' do you need to show before the games take place? Does previous international form get taken in to account? Big game form? Etc etc. It's the same in all sports and teams will always be picked on multiple factors. | | |
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| NickyKiss:nathan_rugby:MadDogg:nathan_rugby:
Havard won't be in the team based on recent form.
Thompson and McMeeken are the only front rowers I'm relatively confident in. Havard not playing well enough as you say. Lees playing well but for me is too small for international level. I like Robbie Mulhern - hopefully he can make a case towards the end of the year. Oledski was playing well but is now injured. Don't rule out Wane sticking with the likes of Tom Burgess and Chris Hill - he seems to stick with players who have played well for England previously irrespective of club form. All international coaches across all sports pick a combination of in-form players and regulars. It isn't as simple as picking the most inform players. Absolutely correct. It winds me up when I read fans of clubs, whose players are in great form at that time, pushing the idea that an international team could ever be picked on form alone. Firstly how long does 'form' need to last? When do we go back to? How many weeks of 'form' do you need to show before the games take place? Does previous international form get taken in to account? Big game form? Etc etc. It's the same in all sports and teams will always be picked on multiple factors. Im fine with all of that but how far do you take it and what takes priority? If we're picking big game players and players who have done well for England in the past then Hall, Burgess, Hill etc would all be in. I know you're saying its a balancing act but ultimately in some cases a coach has to decide which takes priority - past experience/accolades or current form. | | | |
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| MadDogg:NickyKiss:nathan_rugby:MadDogg:nathan_rugby:
Havard won't be in the team based on recent form.
Thompson and McMeeken are the only front rowers I'm relatively confident in. Havard not playing well enough as you say. Lees playing well but for me is too small for international level. I like Robbie Mulhern - hopefully he can make a case towards the end of the year. Oledski was playing well but is now injured. Don't rule out Wane sticking with the likes of Tom Burgess and Chris Hill - he seems to stick with players who have played well for England previously irrespective of club form. All international coaches across all sports pick a combination of in-form players and regulars. It isn't as simple as picking the most inform players. Absolutely correct. It winds me up when I read fans of clubs, whose players are in great form at that time, pushing the idea that an international team could ever be picked on form alone. Firstly how long does 'form' need to last? When do we go back to? How many weeks of 'form' do you need to show before the games take place? Does previous international form get taken in to account? Big game form? Etc etc. It's the same in all sports and teams will always be picked on multiple factors. Im fine with all of that but how far do you take it and what takes priority? If we're picking big game players and players who have done well for England in the past then Hall, Burgess, Hill etc would all be in. I know you're saying its a balancing act but ultimately in some cases a coach has to decide which takes priority - past experience/accolades or current form. I think how far Wane will take it won't be far enough for Hall, Burgess or Hill tbh. He's loyal to fault sometimes but not to that degree. I do think he'll pick guys like Bateman and Clark though, as they will now be his experienced heads. As you say, it'll be a balance. I think we'll see those guys like Bateman, Clark, Knowles, Williams etc, who are lads he trusts but he will probably just ease in a couple of younger players as well. The balance in terms of current form not ousting players with history of performing for England and in big games will come via the selections of players like Harry Smith and Welsby. They've not been at their best over the season but they're tried and tested in the big games and have that mentality of the bigger the game, the better they play. | | | |
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