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| Quote headhunter="headhunter"It depends on your definition of a meaningful match. I don't go to matches to look at the league table on the off-chance that one of the clubs may end up being promoted to Super League at some unspecified point in the future. Amateur teams up and down the country play what would by your definition be 'meaningless matches' every week. TBH I would class pretty much all of Leigh's SL season as meaningless matches since they would turn up and inevitably get beaten by 60 or 70 points every week.
The problem British RL has is that there aren't enough strong clubs outside Super League. Ideally we'd have 4 or 5 strong teams challenging for promotion and that would be fine, but when the only real alternatives are clubs like Featherstone and Leigh, teams based in very small towns that are dwarfed by massive local competition, then the system doesn't really work.'"
Which is what we have been telling you for bloody years you muppet, so ALL you can do is improve everybody, and hope some improve enough to create genuine competition for SL places
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| Quote Starbug="Starbug"Which is what we have been telling you for bloody years you muppet, so ALL you can do is improve everybody, and hope some improve enough to create genuine competition for SL places'" I don't know who you think is going to 'improve everybody' other than the clubs themselves, but competition is not going to come from clubs like Leigh and Featherstone no matter how much money you want the RFL to throw at them.
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| Quote headhunter="headhunter"But this season's SL is one of the most even in history? Leeds have finished 5th the last two years. Obviously not all the clubs are as big as them, but London aside at least they are all competitive. If Championship fans want to spite themselves by not attending neutral events then TBH that's stupid and their loss.'"
You dont mention the contradiction, you stated that on field shouldnt decide who is in SL, then say its the most important thing
Make your mind up
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| Quote headhunter="headhunter"It depends on your definition of a meaningful match. I don't go to matches to look at the league table on the off-chance that one of the clubs may end up being promoted to Super League at some unspecified point in the future. Amateur teams up and down the country play what would by your definition be 'meaningless matches' every week. TBH I would class pretty much all of Leigh's SL season as meaningless matches since they would turn up and inevitably get beaten by 60 or 70 points every week.
The problem British RL has is that there aren't enough strong clubs outside Super League. Ideally we'd have 4 or 5 strong teams challenging for promotion and that would be fine, but when the only real alternatives are clubs like Featherstone and Leigh, teams based in very small towns that are dwarfed by massive local competition, then the system doesn't really work.'"
I meant current SL clubs and their fans
Yes but people dont pay 20 quid to watch amatuers do they?
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| Which club do you follow through the turnstiles Headhunter?
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| Quote headhunter="headhunter"I don't know who you think is going to 'improve everybody' other than the clubs themselves, but competition is not going to come from clubs like Leigh and Featherstone no matter how much money you want the RFL to throw at them.'"
So were f***ed then arent we
Just watched Crystal Palace play Sunderland at a packed to the rafters Selhurst Park ,the Eagles fans didnt stop singing all match
The romance of sport
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| Quote Starbug="Starbug"You dont mention the contradiction, you stated that on field shouldnt decide who is in SL, then say its the most important thing
Make your mind up'" It isn't a contradiction. SL should be full of teams that are capable of being competitive. Promoted teams are unlikely to be competitive, they have to assemble a squad from scratch at short notice. Clubs with extremely saturated catchment areas are also lot less likely to be competitive, which is what we're talking about with the majority of Championship clubs. Promoting the winning Championship team each years is far more likely to result in uncompetitive teams than a sustainable system. It also means that the Championship will have one dominant club every year.
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| Crystal Palace shouldn't be in the Premier League. They're too small. They'll never win it and they'll never be as big as Man U.
That's the mantra round here isn't it?
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| Quote Starbug="Starbug"So were f***ed then arent we
Just watched Crystal Palace play Sunderland at a packed to the rafters Selhurst Park ,the Eagles fans didnt stop singing all match
The romance of sport'" But football is totally different because of the nature of the sport, and because Crystal Palace are a full-time operation that are bigger than most if not all of the SL clubs. They are portrayed as minnows because football is so dominant but the reality is that their turnover is likely to be considerably more than all the RL Championship teams put together. It's not a relevant example at all. The equivalent in football would be like promotion and relegation between the Championship and the Blue Square Conference.
And yeah, clubs like Leigh aren't ever going to be competitive in Super League. They were promoted and got absolutely smashed every week, and that's probably the best they can hope for in terms of their ceiling. If you think otherwise then you're kidding yourself.
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| Quote headhunter="headhunter"It isn't a contradiction. SL should be full of teams that are capable of being competitive. Promoted teams are unlikely to be competitive, they have to assemble a squad from scratch at short notice. Clubs with extremely saturated catchment areas are also lot less likely to be competitive, which is what we're talking about with the majority of Championship clubs. Promoting the winning Championship team each years is far more likely to result in uncompetitive teams than a sustainable system. It also means that the Championship will have one dominant club every year.'"
So once again, where's your options?
And why is what youve put at the end a problem ?
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| Quote headhunter="headhunter"But football is totally different because of the nature of the sport, and because Crystal Palace are a full-time operation that are bigger than most if not all of the SL clubs. They are portrayed as minnows because football is so dominant but the reality is that their turnover is likely to be considerably more than all the RL Championship teams put together. It's not a relevant example at all. The equivalent in football would be like promotion and relegation between the Championship and the Blue Square Conference.
And yeah, clubs like Leigh aren't ever going to be competitive in Super League. They were promoted and got absolutely smashed every week, and that's probably the best they can hope for in terms of their ceiling. If you think otherwise then you're kidding yourself.'"
Their turnover will likely be more than the whole of SL, never mind the Championships, and why is that?
Because football lives on raw emotion, because that is what sport is based on, lose that, and your sport is dead
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| Quote headhunter="headhunter"There aren't any, that's why the proposed new system is nonsense. Replacing clubs that struggle to compete with even weaker clubs with less potential isn't progress. I don't support any of the 'top clubs' so I'm not sure what you are talking about in regards to that, but surely you can understand that having uncompetitive clubs in Super League isn't a good thing. And yes, there are two uncompetitive clubs at the moment. One will be competitive next year (Salford), and the other probably won't exist (London). Regardless, Super League is being reduced to 12 teams and we probably have 12 or 13 competitive clubs ATM, so the idea of relegating one of those clubs and replacing them with an uncompetitive club is totally illogical. If you seriously think that Featherstone can be competitive without reducing the standards of the league then good luck to you, and I hope you're right. What I don't want to see is standards at the top being reduced so that clubs such as Featherstone are able to compete, which is what some people on this forum seem to be advocating.
Like I said, if you honestly believe that Featherstone and similar clubs can compete without standards in Super League being reduced to allow it, then good luck to you. I think you're in for a rude awakening though. Surely you can agree though that limiting the standard of Super League and holding back development to allow the likes of Featherstone to compete would be a bad thing?'"
Wakefield, Hull KR, Castleford, London, and recently Salford are or have been in financial trouble. Huddersfield, leeds, Widnes, Wigan, Hull and Warrington rely on cashed up investors. Don't you think it's time the game woke up and realised that it cannot compete as a fully professional organisation. The game might just have to downsize to survive.
As such, clubs such as Featherstone, Halifax and Leigh might be the norm for SL not the exception.
The SL is in serious danger of implosion. Unless the big boys agree to some form of revenue sharing and that's not even remotely a possibility, then there must be some lowering of standards to ensure survival.
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