I think TVOC was talking about the quota of non federation trained players rather than salary cap regulations. At least that is what I think he was discussing and that was what my previous response was all about.

G1 - I think you were looking in the wrong section, it is covered in section B, but it could be that section C does not reflect the update in section B. If that is the only change in section C since the last amendment then I can see why the RFL did not bother with an update.



[iSeason 2010: a maximum of 6 players who satisfy none of the definitions of Club

Trained Players, Federation Trained Players from the Club’s own federation or

Academy Junior and a minimum of 7 Club Trained Players or Academy Juniors[/i



Actually, the OP that asked the question was indeed correct in some ways and I was still working under the old rule in my head. So with Jamie Lyon if they did not have room at Saints, then he could not be re-signed as he went to Aus. I apologise, but of course Scott Donald would be a federation trained player if he left us to go elsewhere in SL, so not taking up a more valuable non-federation spot.



[i

(a) ‘Club Trained Player’: a player who has been on the Club’s register for any 3 full

Seasons before the end of the Season in which he ceases to be eligible by age

for Academy rugby league. For the 2008 Season only this shall be amended to 1

full Season and for the 2009 Season only this shall be amended to 2 full

Seasons. For the avoidance of doubt, where a player satisfies the definition in

each of the 2008 and 2009 Seasons and is on the Club’s register in both of those

seasons, the Player shall retain the status of ‘Club Trained Player’ in 2010 for so

long as he remains on the register of that Club but shall lose such status (unless

he satisfies the full definition of 3 years) upon being removed from the club’s

register and shall not regain it simply by returning to the Club’s register.

Otherwise, and again for the avoidance of doubt, from the 2010 Season onwards

a player must satisfy the requirement to have been on the Club’s register for 3

full Seasons before his 21st birthday in order to qualify as a ‘Club Trained Player’

and the fact that he may have qualified as a ‘Club Trained Player’ in the 2008

and/or 2009 Seasons shall be irrelevant.



(b) ‘Federation Trained Player’: a player who, for any 3 full Seasons before the end

of the Season in which he ceases to be eligible by age for Academy rugby

league has been on one of the Club’s register or the register of another Club

being a member of the same rugby league federation. For the avoidance of doubt

if a player moves from one club’s register to another club’s register and there is a

period of no more than 28 days in the Season (as defined) and any amount of

the period between the 1 December and the day of the first League Match,

Representative Match or Cup Tie (whichever is sooner) between being removed

from one register and being registered with another club, consecutivity shall not

be broken for the purposes of this clause.



(c) ‘Academy Junior’: a player who is eligible by age for Academy rugby league and

who is on the Club’s Register.[/i



As I read that then, Lee Smith would now be non-federation player and have to come back as one of the six if we indeed have room... tvoc... do we have room?



BUT we do have an RFL get-out clause! Given Lee Smith was a Leeds Academy trained player and has gone to RU but not played first team football, this might wash with the RFL board -



[iB1:15 The Board shall be given the discretion to declare that a Player qualifies as a ‘Club

Trained Player’ or a ‘Federation Trained Player’ notwithstanding that the player does not

satisfy strictly the definition where in the Board’s absolute discretion the Board is satisfied

that in all the circumstances the player satisfies the spirit of the definition and in particular

shall take into account in relation to ‘Federation Trained Player’ any time registered with a

member club of a member organisation of the relevant federation, and in relation to ‘Club

Trained Player’ time registered on loan with a member club of the relevant federation or a

member club of a member organisation of the relevant federation. The burden of

establishing such circumstances is strictly on the individual player.[/i

Could he sign for Leeds Carnegie and be payed by them but play for the Rhino's?

THE Yorkshire Evening Post understands utility-back Lee Smith, who left Leeds last autumn to join Wasps rugby union club, is on a list of possible loan signings Rhinos are considering to help them through their current injury crisis. www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/l ... 6169438.jp

THE Yorkshire Evening Post understands utility-back Lee Smith, who left Leeds last autumn to join Wasps rugby union club, is on a list of possible loan signings Rhinos are considering to help them through their current injury crisis. www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/l ... 6169438.jp

Is this a cap question or registration question?



If it is about the cap it is no, he would still count on the cap and based on his full salary and probable bonuses.



If it is registration, then it makes no difference, he still has to be registered as an RL player at an RL club.

Quote Frosties.="Frosties."THE Yorkshire Evening Post understands utility-back Lee Smith, who left Leeds last autumn to join Wasps rugby union club, is on a list of possible loan signings Rhinos are considering to help them through their current injury crisis. www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/l ... 6169438.jp'" Does that mean they read it on here

Quote Frosties.="Frosties."THE Yorkshire Evening Post understands utility-back Lee Smith, who left Leeds last autumn to join Wasps rugby union club, is on a list of possible loan signings Rhinos are considering to help them through their current injury crisis. www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/l ... 6169438.jp'" Does that mean they read it on here

Nope, it was in the newspaper before it came out on this site.. after the Hull KR game in the game review. Been mentioned on Wasps forums too, and BBC 606, and Lee Smith randomly changing his FB photo from him in his Wasps kit to him in his England RL kit? Cant think anything into that one though obvs.

Lol.

Hey im not the first person to mention something about him on his facebook on here

That's Life used to have a 'Jobsworth' section where 'terms and conditions' would be read out to much bafflement and amusement. I've just had a flashback to Esther Rantzen, Cyril Fletcher, Keiron Prendiville and Glyn Worsnip..... bad times.



I particularly like this bit.



[iB1:15 =#FF0000The Board shall be given the discretion to declare that a Player qualifies as a ‘Club Trained Player’ or a ‘Federation Trained Player’ notwithstanding that the player does not satisfy strictly the definition where in the Board’s absolute discretion the Board is satisfied that in all the circumstances the player satisfies the =#FF0000spirit of the definition and in particular shall take into account in relation to ‘Federation Trained Player’ any time registered with a member club of a member organisation of the relevant federation, and in relation to ‘Club Trained Player’ time registered on loan with a member club of the relevant federation or a

member club of a member organisation of the relevant federation. The burden of

establishing such circumstances is strictly on the individual player.[/i



Of course it has long since been established on here that there is no such thing as 'the spirit of the regulations.'

Yeah, by you!!!! You starting a thread on it doesn't count!

And don't we know it.